The Captain has every reason to be pissed off though. I mean..this is very stressful, and to suddenly have Lieutenant Jin pop out onto the bridge, wielding a revolver and not dressed in duty attire?
You bet your ass she’s angry. I would be too.
Has no one noticed that people in this webcomic have always behaved in more emotional and human ways than the characters in Trek TV?
If one is measuring the storytelling by how closely it models the tone of televised/filmed Star Trek I’d have thought the first story, about the Romulan War, would have blown that comparison up.
I like that they react with more human reactions.
Even in the future, you can’t turn humans into vulcans.
But shuttlecraft Jin has to go back in time to create Time tunnel Jin.
Just my take on it:
In the previous panel
The Vulcan looks to be estimating speed and direction while the bullet is still in motion and that is possible.
The person apparently in command just looks to be saying daaaaaaa
In this one
That apparent commander is a barking dog.
Kirk (who was never known for patience) would have snapped “Report” and listened.
Maybe my patience is worn out after the Hood storyline where everyone ganged up on Number One. Maybe it’s because there’s an orange colored jackass in the White House. But I’m really exhausted of the guys reading this comic referring to a woman in command as some variation of a dog because she doesn’t have the tone of a kindergarten teacher. I’ve seen Kirk demanding answers in an angry, rambling way on many occasions. It could be the station commander is not acting like an emotionless robot because her underling has not just popped up under bizarre circumstances, but is issuing commands on her deck.
I could have posited Capt Janeway as my example. She would have wanted the same information and would have trusted her people to give her what was needed. She probably would have given the same order as Kirk, or asked the same thing as the comic’s last (of 5) questions, but first: “Might you have effected the timeline?” That would have also been to-the-point in what was looking like a hurried situation. The un-named commander’s “why are you dressed like that?” would not have been on the short list for Captain Erica Hernandez or Captain Isadora Barrett. Starfleet captains are nothing if not direct and decisive.
As I said; Kirk “was never known for patience”. I chose him as an example though, because he’s in the same time period as this story, well known, and canon. If it helps though, in the future I’ll hold female personnel to an easier to attain standard.
“there’s an orange asshat in the White House”??? I didn’t see that episode. Do they elect a Ferengi as president in our future? If so; hope he makes the federation great again.
Well, we’ll never know if you would have used Janeway as an example because you didn’t. And, again, Janeway was not exactly a cool headed verbal minimalist, so the comparison still makes no sense. And complaining because she’s wondering why she’s out of uniform as in she’s had what must have been an enormous experience in, what was to them, a fraction of a second? You’re just trying to legitimize a really bad observation.
No one’s asking you to hold women to a different standard. Quite the opposite. You’d never talk this way about a dude. I’ve never seen it. But this talk about the minutiae of “tone” and word arrangement. That is something all women will recognize.
Also, stop thinking only Star Trek and spend some time in the sunlight every once in awhile. There is something worse than a Ferengi as your president in the real world.
Actually, Quark would make a pretty good Federation president. He’s ruthless enough with just the right hint of empathy thanks to the concerted efforts of Nog and Rom.
I can’t speak for everyone else, but Number One’s dismissive attitude about her subordinates; or at least those who didn’t have Officers braid spoke very poorly on her attitudes as an Officer.
People didn’t like Jellico because he was had a different Command style to Picard (and we had kinda gotten used to Picard’s slightly more ‘liberal’ command style), although I do respect him telling Troi to put on a proper uniform (I mean she was ‘Lietuenantn Commander Troi’ not ‘Civillian Counciller Troi’.
And despite being a man, people did not like Jellico. They disliked his style and tone and general behaviour compared to Picard.
Nevermind the fact that he wasn’t that bad of a Commander.
You’re the one bringing gender into the issue.
Doing a quick Google search of Jellico leads almost exclusively to people defending him. It always seemed to me that the “Jellico is a bad captain no one likes” thing was something written into the script, but not actually felt by the audience. Riker, LaForge, and Troi’s reactions to him and cliquey and petulant. It also presupposed that Picard was warm and fuzzy. He wasn’t. As I’ve discussed before in the “Basis of Proof” comics, Picard didn’t know people’s names, never fraternized with anyone but Crusher and Guinan, and was physically repulsed by the lower ranks.
I’ll never understand why people feel the need to negate other people’s experiences. There is a statistically provable level of bias that women live with on a daily basis. We men can conceivably rationalize every instance of bias so that it seems like none exists. That would be a fight against facts.
Ahh. Admittedly It’s been a while, and I don’t even recall if I’d ever seen that episode (I mean it’s been some 30-odd years).
I thought the audiences were luke-warm to Jellico.
It’s amazing what time and rumours will give you. I had kinda forgot that Picard *was* snappish at times.
I remembered he didn’t like kids, but I suppose time muddies the waters.
I’ve argued/discussed Jellico with both opponents and proponents. One side sees Jellico in light of modern officers and think him rather easy going (because he waited so long to sack Riker). They also see him as competent for the precision of his knowledge, and the crew as unreasonable, because everything he ordered was possible and happened as he said it could be done. The other see Jellico as an unreasonable slave driver who made numerous pointless changes which likely weakened the crew and put it in more danger.
It took me years, but the episode is actually nuanced in how it treats both Riker and Jellico, but it is easy to miss given biases going into the episode, or perhaps personal inclinations. I think the director sides with the crew, too, but the script itself strikes me as balanced if the music and reaction shots can be taken with a grain of salt.
Riker makes an honest effort to help Jellico, but Jellico has specific ideas on how his officers should conduct their duties, and Riker does not fit that mold. Jellico sees Riker as unremarkable and in need of retraining, Riker sees Jellico as a slave driver meddler. Each is right and wrong.
The one time I think the director or editor is trying to make us side with someone is with Troi when her offer to help Jellico personally is rejected, and he tells her to focus on the crew and put on a uniform. That ends up funny because she sticks with the uniform, and sad because only then do the writers give her intelligent things to do and say. Like they couldn’t see past her cleavage.
Aside from the ‘sex sells’ angle, I never did understand why Troi wasn’t in uniform.
I mean I think Crusher was good looking and respectable in her uniform.
She didn’t need to show the cleavage off like Troi.
But I don’t blame the actress, you can only go with the role you’re handed. And unless you’re a certain actor, you do have very narrow confines in just how much you can tweak the role.
I don’t really remember ever seeing the Jellico episode..so I can’t honestly say how I felt at the time as a kid watching it.
But as you say, they were both right and wrong. True, Riker probably should’ve been more adaptable. And…ultimately in the end, however he felt about the man, the XOs job is to support his Commanding Officer. He can advise, but once the CO Has made his decision, the XO supports him all the way; right or wrong.
That’s something Data learned from Picard when he takes command in that one episode; and when he takes command of a ship of his own.
But then Jellico probably should’ve realised that Riker is not some pimply-arsed Ensign but is a fully fledged Commander who probably by this point knows how to do his damned job. And he *is* the guy who’s job is to motivate the crew to do the stuff to leave you, the CO to do the job of keeping an eye on the exterior issues. The goings and and to-ings and fro-ings of the bigger picture.
Of course I’m the one bringing gender into the issue. Who else is going to? People rarely admit to their prejudices openly. They need to be called out on them.
Well, this is not the venue for that sort of thing, perhaps a more poltical forum would betted suit your needs.
Buddy, who exactly are you to tell anyone what is an appropriate venue for anything around here? I’ve had to delete some of your previous comments along with the comments of another reader because you both used the same “No, you’re the bigot for even thinking about bigotry” line of dudebro argumentation. Negating someone’s experiences with a tired form of gaslighting is what doesn’t fly around here. This all comes down to caring about the experiences of people who are not you. If a group of people say certain common and predictable codewords and tactics are used to regularly belittle them then you should reevaluate the things you say because you’re an adult with empathy and sense who doesn’t want to be a bad person who hurts others pointlessly. How many “Trekkie” stereotypes could I level against you right now to dismiss anything you have to say on any occasion I feel like it? A lot. You wouldn’t like it and you’d want me to trust that what I’m saying is hurtful and needless. This is where the empathy part comes in.
This comic is very clear about it’s politics. If you’ve trusted me so far then trust me on this, too. If you’re realizing this isn’t what you signed up for then you don’t need to stick around.
Even though the officer is inadvertently, but understandably, making a mistake by slowing things down, she is asking all the right questions, and she has intuited the correct assumption in her final question. She is obviously smart even if saying “report” might lead to a better explanation thanks to lack of possibly leading questions.
Hopefully Jin can sum things up in just a sentence and hopefully the commanding officer will listen amd trust her and act accordingly. Trusting Jin will show she has the willingness to gamble on camaraderie among Starfleet personnel, which is something I enjoy reading about.
To create more story the officer could block Jin’s effort but I would prefer to see things wrapping up and going right at this point. I wouldn’t mind seeing things slowed just enough, by the Q and A, for her pursuer to arrive just as the subspace signal is broadcast. It would show him dissolving from the timeline, which could be an exciting scene and a kind of repetition of the previous murder in a way which can be seen as justice.
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