Makes me wonder if that was intentionally left out of the message. The original group of Kelvans the crew encountered were survivors of that failed passage. Perhaps Kirk was hoping that the same thing would happen to them.
Not sure what you mean. Where No Man Has Gone Before was the Enterprise’s first experience with the barrier. When Rojan tell’s him about how the Kelvan ship was destroyed in it Kirk says “Yes, I know. We’ve been there.” The Enterprise’s shields hold while entering and exiting the galaxy, I’m guessing due to upgrades related to their previous experience.
I always thought it was weird that the Kelvans had such wicked technology (cubifying weapon, ability to upscale warp speed of Enterprise, ability to convert to a totally different form, ability to run the ship with minimal crew) but they didn’t have the shields to survive the barrier.
I think it can only mean the barrier is so unique that more power and sophistication don’t matter, only knowledge specific to the barrier and one’s own systems can result in protection from the barrier.
Josh; That’s like Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle’s side-theme in Footfall where the little space elephants couldn’t adapt their advanced technology because it was borrowed but we could jury rig our simpler human made stuff because we understood it.
Ah, sorry, I loosely follow this webcomic, but I had forgotten about Kirk and Rojan’s discussion. I knew Where No Man Has Gone Before was Kirk’s first experience with the barrier.
That discussion was in the episode “By Any Other Name” which is what the story is a sequel to. If you haven’t seen it, it’s pretty decent if a bit campy toward the end.
I doubt Kirk would have wanted to do that to a fleet full of refugees. But you do raise a point that there were probably people other than Kirk who ultimately had to draft and send that message, and they may not have been quite so benevolent. All it would take is one technician feeling resentful over having to ignore an otherwise perfectly useable colony world…
That might have deitized a small minority of Kelvans in the process, come to think of it.
Makes me wonder if that was intentionally left out of the message. The original group of Kelvans the crew encountered were survivors of that failed passage. Perhaps Kirk was hoping that the same thing would happen to them.
Or it could’ve been from before Kirk had his troubles at the barrier. It’s not like that was his first mission commanding the Enterprise.
Not sure what you mean. Where No Man Has Gone Before was the Enterprise’s first experience with the barrier. When Rojan tell’s him about how the Kelvan ship was destroyed in it Kirk says “Yes, I know. We’ve been there.” The Enterprise’s shields hold while entering and exiting the galaxy, I’m guessing due to upgrades related to their previous experience.
I always thought it was weird that the Kelvans had such wicked technology (cubifying weapon, ability to upscale warp speed of Enterprise, ability to convert to a totally different form, ability to run the ship with minimal crew) but they didn’t have the shields to survive the barrier.
I think it can only mean the barrier is so unique that more power and sophistication don’t matter, only knowledge specific to the barrier and one’s own systems can result in protection from the barrier.
Josh; That’s like Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle’s side-theme in Footfall where the little space elephants couldn’t adapt their advanced technology because it was borrowed but we could jury rig our simpler human made stuff because we understood it.
Ah, sorry, I loosely follow this webcomic, but I had forgotten about Kirk and Rojan’s discussion. I knew Where No Man Has Gone Before was Kirk’s first experience with the barrier.
That discussion was in the episode “By Any Other Name” which is what the story is a sequel to. If you haven’t seen it, it’s pretty decent if a bit campy toward the end.
I doubt Kirk would have wanted to do that to a fleet full of refugees. But you do raise a point that there were probably people other than Kirk who ultimately had to draft and send that message, and they may not have been quite so benevolent. All it would take is one technician feeling resentful over having to ignore an otherwise perfectly useable colony world…
We are gonna build the space wall and we are gonna make the Kelvans pay for it!
*Build that wall!*
*Build that wall!*
Make the Milky Way great again!